100WHP by installing an N52 exhaust cam in an N55.

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I would be terrified if I saw that much correction with that much boost and timing.......15°!!!!! Yes/no - am I just being a pussy haha?

You mean ~2.3 degrees? You're probably looking at timing, which isn't the same as timing correction. Enable the accel pedal/throttle pos series and you can see he's let off the gas
 

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15.2 with 0.8 correction so 16° is beling targeted here with 20psi - is that not correct? I read that going above 9-10° yield little results on these engines so why this excessive amount of timimg? Or am I wrong?

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You mean ~2.3 degrees? You're probably looking at timing, which isn't the same as timing correction. Enable the accel pedal/throttle pos series and you can see he's let off the gas
 

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15.2 with 0.8 correction so 16° is beling targeted here with 20psi - is that not correct? I read that going above 9-10° yield little results on these engines so why this excessive amount of timimg? Or am I wrong?

I understand what you're saying now, I read your previous post as you believed there was a 15 degree correction. This does look like a lot of timing, although I'm not really an expert in reading this stuff.

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I've read before that MBT (N54 on stock turbos at least) was in the 18* range, so there should be more power with added timing. Most I've seen top out around 13* on E85, but that could also be just for a combination of safety and octane limitation.

I think there is a belief that there is a specific amount of timing needed for these engines. If by changing the cam allowed higher timing without excessive corrections, and yet more power, then isn't that the gain the cams allowed? They were on a dyno, so let's give the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't just cranked timing for no reason.

Also, wasn't this on meth which would add octane and cooling?
 

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Spends 35 hours producing a shoddy video and doesn't understand the importance of data... Definitely not buying this junk.

It's pretty clear the tune is doing more for gains than the cam is, and the cherry picked data with poor organization doesn't help paint a clearer picture.

Data people. Data.
 
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Spends 35 hours producing a shoddy video and doesn't understand the importance of data... Definitely not buying this junk.

It's pretty clear the tune is doing more for gains than the cam is.
I have plenty of data. 52 dyno runs worth plus street pulls. You guys taught me very quickly it's not even worth sharing lol. Be good buddy
 
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Can't share logs but the video was worth 35 hours :tearsofjoy:

My point is you should probably share all that data you keep flexing. Talk is cheap, well organized data speaks volumes.
Read above. You are are not worth my time. You are more than welcome to keep watching what I put out, but not sharing anything here. Peace
 
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Also the giant throttle closure in the N55 log... There is the "big dip" that the N52 cam "fixed."
If anything, the n55 log has *smaller* timing corrections. Plus that throttle closure in the first log. The tune version is in the datalog, I suppose that could be faked but this still seems more like ignorance than malice.

IATs are like 23F higher in the N55 log than the tuned n52 cam log, that can make a big difference too... Could be the meth, or he just did a ran after a cool-off later in the day. Still. Clearly big variables here besides the cam.

Not to mention no comparison once it is tuned up higher. I don't understand how 100whp is attributed to the cam alone here.

Read above. You are are not worth my time. You are more than welcome to keep watching what I put out, but not sharing anything here. Peace

Maybe you're not getting it, but you have multiple people asking great questions about your cherry picked logs and you're acting like you've struck gold and deserve accolades. You haven't proven anything.

Seriously. You have 52 logs and you've showed us three. Holding information back is not the way in this community and the defensive nature of your replies says plenty to me.
 
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Asking for proof via a log seems very reasonable especially if it is readily available(as claimed). It makes sense people have questions given the apparent large power increase using a stock cam. It is human nature to question and analyze, it's in our blood.
 
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Not to mention no comparison once it is tuned up higher. I don't understand how 100whp is attributed to the cam alone here.



Maybe you're not getting it, but you have multiple people asking great questions about your cherry picked logs and you're acting like you've struck gold and deserve accolades. You haven't proven anything.

Seriously. You have 52 logs and you've showed us three. Holding information back is not the way in this community and the defensive nature of your replies says plenty to me.
Thanks for your valuable assessment
 

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Just a tune up to what anyone else with the same hardware and stock cams can get. Why is anyone still engaging this clickbaiter?
 
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Fine by me buddy. You will remember who pioneered it when more results are released by me and others. Cheers

Have you found the 100 whp gain yet?

Seriously. I want to be excited about this but you've literally given us nothing aside from a Dyno showing zero gains over a typical pure S2 car, while running excessive timing, which suggests to me that you did one of three things:

1. Clickbait video for a preliminary run / shakedown and are hiding the true results showing what you did.

2. Lost power with the cam given the tune.

3. Don't know what you're doing at all, plus #2.

Oh, one last thing. Not watching anything you put out if you don't post data like requested. It's not unreasonable, but without it it just seems like you're trying to make money.

"Tune in next time!"
 

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My dude also has videos *before* the cam claiming 500+ wheel horsepower. No Dyno, because he can't back up any of his clickbait titles, of course. Either he's making shit up now or he was making shit up then. Either way, clickbait.
 

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My dude also has videos *before* the cam claiming 500+ wheel horsepower. No Dyno, because he can't back up any of his clickbait titles, of course. Either he's making shit up now or he was making shit up then. Either way, clickbait.
My car really just makes 285whp. I spend my days altering dyno results in hopes a random dude will post my video on a random forum I couldn't care less about. No way I've thrown $15k+ at my F30 and actually have data and results. There is absolutely no way I have knowledge on problems that might occur at 500whp+. It wouldn't make sense that I would post a overview video of a unheard of mod while EARLY in the tuning process that made good power to inform other owners of the concept. That's would be insane. Grab your pitch forks boys!

Let me make something very clear...I have nothing to sell you. I don't care if you watch my videos or not. I challenge anyone on here to post a video they filmed and edited better than my content. I could give AF less if you take my advice or not. Also, since many of you are uneducated apparently, a 2000 view video makes like $3 in YouTube revenue. I understand this video will never make decent money due to small demand and search volume. The click bait comments are hilarious to me. Stick to watching red push button upgrade videos on YouTube if this bothers you that much. There is a reason performance shops and tuners don't take the time to respond to people like you. Think about that, hater.
 

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There is absolutely no way I have knowledge on problems that might occur at 500whp+.

I do agree with that sentence of your post, lol.

470 hp is not "500+ wheel horsepower." You *did* provide a dyno on an old tune with 470, good for you, that sounds like pump gas numbers for a PS2 car. Either your claim of 500+ in your old video is crap, or you intentionally de-tuned to get the 470 number in your later video to give you a good before/after. Regardless, you seem to have a loose grasp of measurements, which is key to the claims you're making. Once someone who knows what they're doing, already has a well-sorted PS2 car pushing 500+ whp and decides to spend $$$ on throwing a barely different cam in to verify, maybe we'll listen. But you've provided some really shoddy data and your youtube history does *not* lend you credence.

Your responses are rude, and you can diss me all you like, but it doesn't change the lack of data supporting your narrative. I don't care if you're making money, it's the deceptiveness intended to get you viewers that matters, not the fact you've only managed to make $3 on the effort.
 

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I do agree with that sentence of your post, lol.

470 hp is not "500+ wheel horsepower." You *did* provide a dyno on an old tune with 470, good for you, that sounds like pump gas numbers for a PS2 car. Either your claim of 500+ in your old video is crap, or you intentionally de-tuned to get the 470 number in your later video to give you a good before/after. Regardless, you seem to have a loose grasp of measurements, which is key to the claims you're making. Once someone who knows what they're doing, already has a well-sorted PS2 car pushing 500+ whp and decides to spend $$$ on throwing a barely different cam in to verify, maybe we'll listen. But you've provided some really shoddy data and your youtube history does *not* lend you credence.

Your responses are rude, and you can diss me all you like, but it doesn't change the lack of data supporting your narrative. I don't care if you're making money, it's the deceptiveness intended to get you viewers that matters, not the fact you've only managed to make $3 on the effort.
Dude. I have videos showing that made over 500whp for months now. With dyno sheets you will undoubtedly say are fake. My current tuner is the comparison I gave. Old tune was trashed due to fuel rail pressure going crazy at 2800 psi at idle randomly. It made 509whp. I've used numerous tuners and have never made this much HP and TQ prior to the cam. It clearly made power. Put yourself in my shoes. Read the comments and think. I am one of few making decent content for you to watch and judge. Keep clicking sweetheart, I'll give you more, promise. 😘
 

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I do agree with that sentence of your post, lol.

470 hp is not "500+ wheel horsepower." You *did* provide a dyno on an old tune with 470, good for you, that sounds like pump gas numbers for a PS2 car. Either your claim of 500+ in your old video is crap, or you intentionally de-tuned to get the 470 number in your later video to give you a good before/after. Regardless, you seem to have a loose grasp of measurements, which is key to the claims you're making. Once someone who knows what they're doing, already has a well-sorted PS2 car pushing 500+ whp and decides to spend $$$ on throwing a barely different cam in to verify, maybe we'll listen. But you've provided some really shoddy data and your youtube history does *not* lend you credence.

Your responses are rude, and you can diss me all you like, but it doesn't change the lack of data supporting your narrative. I don't care if you're making money, it's the deceptiveness intended to get you viewers that matters, not the fact you've only managed to make $3 on the effort.
470 wHp iS nOt 500wHp. FOH
 

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Do I need to point out the part of that screenshot that says 500+ torque too? Your "500+" result was what, 481 wtq? Again, you have a very loose grasp of what the number 500 means.